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QUEEN ELIZABETH, Triple Decked!

Top to Bottom Tour, Part One: Decks 12 through 9

QUEEN ELIZABETH makes her maiden appearance in Southampton on October 8, 2010. Photo and copyright Patsy Dempsey 2010.

The new QUEEN ELIZABETH is the latest entrant in the Carnival Corporation-owned platform of ships sharing similar hull and machinery blueprints that include her near twin, the 2008-built QUEEN VICTORIA, Holland America Line’s two Signature (EURODAM and NIEUW AMSTERDAM) and four Vista Class ships (ZUIDERDAM, OOSTERDAM, WESTERDAM, NOORDAM), P&O’s ARCADIA, a quartet of Costa Line vessels and Carnival’s four member SPIRIT Class.

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QUEEN ELIZABETH at Southampton, October 11, 2010.

MV QUEEN ELIZABETH Principal Statistics:
Owners: Cunard Line division of the Carnival Corporation
Built by Fincantieri’s Monfalcone (near Trieste) shipyard: Hull number 6187
Registry: Southampton, U.K.
Gross Tonnage: 90,900
Length: 964.5 feet (294 meters)
Beam: 104.8 feet (32.25 meters) hull/120 feet (36.6 meters) bridge wings
Draft: 26.2 feet (8.0 meters)
Passengers: 2092 double occupancy
Crew: 997
Passenger Decks: 12
Propulsion: Six Mak M43C diesels that drive 2 ABB pods
Speed: 21.7 knots (23.7 maximum)

QUEEN ELIZABETH builder's plate.

The contract for the QUEEN ELIZABETH, the successor to the 1968-built QUEEN ELIZABETH 2, was signed in October of 2007. The first keel blocks were laid in July of 2009 and the hull was floated out in January of 2010.

QUEEN ELIZABETH at Monfalcone, Italy in February 2010. Photo and copyright Peter Knego 2010.

The first sea trials began in the summer of 2010. On October 1, 2010, the new QUEEN ELIZABETH was handed over to Cunard and sailed for Southampton via Algeciras to begin her career as the second largest Cunard vessel ever built.

QE bow at Southampton.

She arrived in Southampton for the first time on Friday, October 8, 2010, remaining at the Ocean Cruise Terminal to be inspected by media and the travel industry prior to her maiden voyage (which sold out in a mere 29 minutes when it was announced for sale on 1 April 2009), a thirteen night Atlantic Isles cruise that departed on Tuesday, October 12.

HM Queen Elizabeth (seated in cerulean blue) prior to naming the new MV QUEEN ELIZABETH at Southampton. Photo and copyright Peter Knego 2010.

The ship was christened by HM Queen Elizabeth in a gala ceremony on the afternoon of Monday, October 11, invoking the royal launch of the first QUEEN ELIZABETH by the Queen Mother Elizabeth in 1938, attended by the then 12 year old HRH Princess Ellizabeth and her sister, Princess Margaret. The young Elizabeth, first as princess, then as queen, went on to launch and or name a series of important cruise ships and liners, including Cunard’s CARONIA in 1947, Shaw Savill’s SOUTHERN CROSS in 1954, Canadian Pacific’s EMPRESS OF BRITAIN in 1955, Cunard’s QE2 in 1967 and Cunard’s QUEEN MARY 2 in 2006.

QUEEN ELIZABETH at Ocean Cruise Terminal on Sunday, October 10, 2010.

All Photos by and copyright Peter Knego 2010 unless otherwise noted. Please click on image to view a larger version.

Additional deck "crowns" new QUEEN. Photo and copyright Peter Knego 2010.

Externally, the twelve passenger deck QUEEN ELIZABETH differs from the slightly smaller QUEEN VICTORIA with the additional glass-enclosed structure atop her bridge on Deck 11, as well as her more vertical stern which houses more accommodation and a larger lido than the VICTORIA.

Our Decked! tour will begin at the highest passenger level and work its way gradually down, from fore to aft.

Deck 12

Facing forward from midships/port Deck 12.

Deck 12, facing port from forward.

Facing aft along port Deck 12.

The platform surrounding the funnel on Deck 12 is the highest point on the ship.

Funnel from starboard.

It overlooks the Pavilion Pool area midships and glass screens provide a certain degree of shelter from the wind.

Forward Deck 11

Bowls Court, facing starboard.

Deck 11 is divided into fore and aft “islands”. The forward Games Court or “English Garden” is housed under the distinctive canopied structure atop the superstructure that distinguishes the ship from her sister, QUEEN VICTORIA. It has many design trademarks of senior Princess architect Giacomo Mortola and resembles similar “Sanctuary” fixtures atop the Mortola-designed GRAND and CROWN class Princess ships.

Bowls Court instructions.

The QUEEN ELIZABETH features the world’s first sea-going bowls court (although several Brit. based lines such as Fred. Olsen and Voyages of Discovery do offer improvised versions of the game. The astroturf-decked area surrounding the radio mast housing also features paddle tennis and croquet courts.

Midships Deck 11, facing aft.

Games get a bit more cerebral in the aft portion of the forward island of Deck 11 with an elevated, oversized chess board.

Facing aft from Deck 11 over midships pool area.

Surrounding the chessboard is a semi-circular platform that overlooks the Pavilion Pool from forward.

Midships Deck 11

Midships Deck 11, facing aft from starboard.

Midships Deck 11, facing starboard.

The external portion of Midships Deck 11 begins with a sunning and observation terrace.

Grill Lounge, facing starboard.

Grill Lounge, facing starboard from center.

The domed, 34 seat Grill Lounge begins the small, exclusive group of public spaces on midships Deck 11. This “ship within a ship” portion of the QUEEN ELIZABETH is reserved for the vessel’s Grill category passengers. The lounge is used for afternoon tea as well as pre and post dinner aperitifs and drinks for those dining in either the Princess or Queens Grills, just aft.

Queens Grill, facing forward.

Queens Grill, facing inboard.

Queens Grill guests enjoy the ship’s most opulent suites and the grill that spans the port portion of midships Deck 11. The crescent-shaped space with a cream and gold decorative palette offers spectacular sea views, exemplary service and some of the richest foods on the high seas to please even the most discriminating palettes.

Princess Grill, facing forward.

Princess Grill, facing inboard from aft.

The 122 seat Princess Grill is the starboard side complement of the Queens Grill with a similar layout and decorative fixtures.

Grill Patio, facing starboard.

Both grills share a sheltered, al fresco patio with a water fountain, just aft, that accommodates 28 guests for meals and afternoon tea.

Deck 10

Commodore Club, facing starboard.

Commodore Club corner, facing aft.

Deck 10 begins with the 122 seat Commodore Club observation lounge. Seating lines the perimeter of the room which has floor to ceiling windows on three sides and handsome alcoves featuring paintings depicting Cunard’s most recent QUEENs by maritime artist Robert Lloyd. A bar and small dance floor are located in the aft/center portion of the room.

Admiral's Lounge, facing aft.

The small Admiral’s Lounge is located directly aft of the Commodore Club on the starboard side and is accessed by the starboard passageway.

Churchill's, facing aft.

Churchill’s cigar lounge is located aft of the Commodore Club and is also accessed via the starboard passageway.

Deck 10 couples' therapy room, facing port.

Just aft of the Commodore Club on the port side of Deck 10, there are couples spa therapy suites, which are connected to the Cunard Royal Spa on Deck 9 via a private staircase.

Yacht Club, facing starboard.

Featuring 270 degree views, the 90 seat Yacht Club is one of the QUEEN ELIZABETH’s more striking venues. It features a domed skylight, modern decor, floor to ceiling windows in its aft portion, a small bandstand, bar and dance floor.

QE2 model in Yacht Club.

One of the special highlights of the Yacht Club of particular interest to Cunard Line fans and ocean liner enthusiasts in general, is the solid silver model of the QE2, rescued from the famed Cunarder’s entrance lobby.

Midships Pool area, facing forward.

Night pool.

Midships Deck 10 continues with two finite open air verandahs on either side overlooking the Pavilion Pool and two jacuzzis on Deck 9.

The Zone, facing aft.

Sheltered outdoor decks lead aft to the child and teen areas of the ship. On the starboard side, there is the Zone, the ship’s dedicated teen tween center with video games, computers and.

Play Zone, facing aft.

Deck 10 outdoor play area.

On the port side, there is the Play Zone area for young children, with adjoining play area.

Night name from starboard Deck 10.

Aft/stbd Deck 10, facing forward.

Promenades span aft to a small terrace overlooking the stern on Deck 10.

Over stern from Deck 10.

From the farthest aft portion of Deck 10, there is a nice view of the QUEEN ELIZABETH’s expanded aft pool and lido.

Deck 9

Forward Deck 9, facing port.

The forward portion of Deck 9 begins with a narrow observation platform that is accessed through the emergency exit doors on either side of the Fitness Center.

Gym, facing starboard.

QUEEN ELIZABETH has an excellent gym with a large variety of cardio equipment (treadmills, ellipticals, stair machines, stationary bikes and spinning machines), free weights, weight machines and an aerobics/stretching area.

Spa meeting room, facing forward.

The Cunard Royal Spa is aft adjacent to the fitness center. On the port side are numerous treatment rooms and the women’s changing area. There is also a small meeting room where classes are held.

Beauty Salon, facing aft.

At the aft end of the port side of the Cunard Royal Spa, there is the Beauty Salon.

Foot therapy suite.

Adjoining the Beauty Salon is a foot therapy suite with three stations.

Men's Spa Changing Area.

Men's Spa Shower Area, facing forward.

The men’s changing and shower area is on the starboard side of the spa, just aft of the gym. During my visit, it still had shipyard workers putting on the finishing touches.

Men's sauna.

A dry sauna is at the after end of the men’s changing area.

Spa Relaxation Area, facing aft.

Spa Waiting Room, facing starboard.

On the starboard side of the Cunard Royal Spa, there is also a waiting are and relaxation room.

Hydrotherapy pool, facing aft.

The Hydrotherapy Pool is at the aft end of the Cunard Royal Spa.

Pavilion Pool, facing forward.

The open air Pavilion Pool is located amidships and features two whirlpools.

Garden Lounge, facing port.

Garden Lounge, facing aft.

Just aft of the Pavilion Pool is the 134 seat Garden Lounge. Its soaring ceiling is inspired by the glass houses of Kew Gardens. It is the ship’s conservatory style venue, home to afternoon teas and supper club gatherings. Its complement on the QUEEN VICTORIA has a sliding glass Magrodome ceiling but somehow lacks the dynamic scale of this room.

Garden Lounge, facing aft from starboard.

The Garden Lounge has a bar on its aft/port side and space for dancing. Wicker seating lines it perimeter.

Lido Restaurant, facing aft from port.

The Lido Restaurant is the ship’s casual 24 hour eatery featuring floor-to-ceiling windows seating 464 guests.

Lido Buffet serving station.

The QUEEN ELIZABETH’s lido also features three new extra tariff ($10 per person) dining options: Asado (South American cuisine), Azted (Authentic Regional Mexican) and Jasmine (Pan-Asiaan).

Aft/stbd pool bar.

Stern pool, facing forward.

The Lido Pool is served by a canopied al fresco bar on the starboard side. The lido, itself, is larger than that of the QUEEN VICTORIA’s due to the expanded stern that accommodates more suites just below.

Facing forward from fantail.

Here is where we will conclude the first portion of the QUEEN ELIZABETH tour.

End of QUEEN ELIZABETH Triple Decked!, Part One

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43 Responses to QUEEN ELIZABETH Triple Decked! Part One: Decks 12 to 9

  1. Gabriele

    October 10, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Peter, thanks for sharing these wonderful photos. They make me want to travel right away. I see the Asprey model in the Queens Room shot, did you get a close up?

  2. carol

    October 10, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Loved all the pictures. Wish I was walking over the welcome mat on the gangway right now!

  3. Ab Ovo

    October 10, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Fine photographs! You give a total “picture” of how the ship looks and feels inside. She is Victoria-like, but quite her own ship. She’ll come to be loved.

  4. Howard

    October 10, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Thanks for sharing all these images. Smarter looking than QV and in some regards QM2.

  5. Mike Masino

    October 10, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Nice photos Peter. What a lovely ship!

  6. Scott

    October 10, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Peter – You have single-handedly sold me on this ship. I wanted to love it and now I do. Just beautiful work you did and attention to detail (Totally Random Carpet #3). I can’t wait to sail her!

  7. Phil Colebrook

    October 11, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Great photos. Still suffers form that nouveau-meets-deco-via-Farcus mish-mash that afflicts the QM2 and Victoria. Funny how the QM, QE and QE2 all had cutting-edge interior design but modern Cunarders seem to wallow in synthetic nostalgia nostalgia. Seems that only Celebrity has enough courage to institute novel, fresh interior design using the fantastic spaces that can be created with modern naval architecture.

  8. Ann

    October 11, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Hello Peter, and thank you so much for finding time to share all these pictures with us. What a pleasure to see what this new ship is like on board. Best wishes.

  9. Glasgowfella

    October 11, 2010 at 5:51 am

    As Phil points out its pretty but still synthetic nostalgia – its not a Cunard liner but more a floating Cunard theme park …….

    GF

  10. Kenneth Eden

    October 11, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Farcus had nothing to do with these new Cunarders interiors. Get your facts straight. To dateFarcus has done Carnival and SOME Costa new builds interiors.

  11. Russ

    October 11, 2010 at 7:15 am

    The QM & QE had “cutting-edge interior design?” Sorry but, there is/was nothing cutting edge about either one of those two ships. Yes, their interiors were nice and cozy, and certainly reflected the style of the times; but, if you want cutting-edge, look to Ile d France, Normandie or, dare I say, Bremen and Europa.

    I agree that Celebrity offers fantastic, modern interiors: but they are no less synthetic than Queen Elizabeth.

    Wonderful photos. Thanks for sharing.

  12. Dave Lee

    October 11, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Too much brown, am I the first to notice this? Peter, thanks for your photos, in any case, it only confirms my worst fears for this ship. It makes QE2 look very modern indeed! This ship looks like a set from the film ‘Titanic 2′

  13. Kevin

    October 11, 2010 at 9:22 am

    I’ll give P&O their due they did put more thought into the Vista QE than i thought they would. The Britannia dining Room on both the Vista Queens are difficult rooms to look at. And while Vista QE’s room is abit different it has the akwardness about it that is found on Vista QV. What certainly doesn’t help is the Carnival like split staircase found on several of their new ships not to mention the framed rund dome found all over Princess. Lots of opportunities lost, the main foyer and theater in particular. But the Queens Grill is by far the biggest disappointment. Zero creativity has delivered a dining facility one could esily find in a mid range NYC hotel. Why on earth would one pay a premium to dine in a facility that has the decorative elements found in a Bombay and Company furniture store? Even the exterior Grill dining area looks like an outside Olive Garden Restaurant. More a theme than a natural expression of design..and I hope P&O made those plants real..they don’t look it in the images. The casino is the single worst design…yellow and brown, 2 attractive color sto use in quantity.

    A nice room: Midships Bar..though another unoriginal design it is one that looks nice and a small, intimate area on a mega ship is always a nice find.

  14. edvard

    October 11, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Tastefully done. There are some very nice details, like some of the light fixtures, choice of a reserved color pallet, the design of the stack that is reminiscent of the older ships before, and an overall upscale look. Its clear this ship was purpose-built for a specific target consumer. I think this will be a success as it offer an alternative for perhaps more well-heeled or those that don’t want to be on a ship that’s targeted for families with young kids.

  15. Julie McG

    October 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Thank you for these fabulous photos. Cant wait for my trip on her next year DV. Lovely insight

  16. Corey palm desert

    October 11, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    To edvard I hear what u r saying about the kid thing. Just got off mariner of the seas and I’m in the adult solarium pool area meant for quiet and there’s always someone who brings their four year old kid. I kicked them out.couple years ago on shaphire princess in adult pool their was a mother swimming with a extremely loud five year old. I kicked them out and I got a round of applause from seventy to eighty yearolds. I told her to go to kiddy pool and she said she didn’t like to be around kids and I said now u know how I feel. Everyone thinks their kids r special. Peter thanks for great pictures .

  17. Kevin

    October 11, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    @Kenneth: Farcus is the principle designer for Costa (unfortunatly) and was recently benched (thankfully) as the designer for Carnival. He dabbled over at HAL and it was a disaster. So bad HAL ended up covering up much of what he did on the rotterdam and when she went in fro a refit HAL removed what he had done. It did not fly at all…

    Farcus claims to be responsible for the “Grand Staircase” on QM2..don’t know if it is true or not.

  18. Phil Colebrook

    October 12, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Good points from Kenneth and Russ. QM, QE and QE2 were contemporary in design. I guess that is my point. And there is definitely a touch of Vegas here! In terms of synthetic, I mean the mock-wood treatment everywhere. It can look good and some panelling on the QM2 looked convincing but it ultimately rings a little hollow. But that’s splitting hairs. Carnival offer a great product and mock wood or real thing the trips I took on the QE2 and QM2 were excellent. And this one gets to fly the blue ensign!

  19. Doug

    October 12, 2010 at 5:57 am

    What a mish-mash of design! Mostly no better than today’s shopping mall, casino, or hotel design. Some very lovely, and rare detail.

    I suppose they know who their public is, though.

    Oh, for the great ships, and great design of the past!

  20. Rosie

    October 12, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Thanks so much – great photos!
    First photo of QE2’s Bell and Builders’ Plate on MV QE – can’t help wondering what might happen to these, should QE2 come back home…

  21. edvard

    October 12, 2010 at 7:59 am

    I can agree with some of the comments regarding the “synthetic” feel of some of the materials. The way I look at it is that this is like a commercial building or hotel. The carpets, paneling, flooring, decking, and so on and so on have to be designed to be in constant heavy use and made to be easily cleaned and maintained. Hence the carpet that is indeed like that you’d find in a casino. It has to be like that. Otherwise the ship would look grungy in no time.

  22. Tom

    October 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    The Garden Lounge is my favorite by far. Churchill’s is nice, too. But, I have just one thing to say to all cruise lines, ENOUGH WITH THOSE UFO-LIKE CAN-LIGHTS IN THE CEILINGS! They have to be the ugliest things I have every seen and take away any too much aesthetic value!

  23. Croix Picoriello

    October 12, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Peter!! Thanks for the glorious photos. As a crew member on Queen Victoria, I still think QV has the better external looks, but I must say that the interiors on Queen Elizabeth really look spectacular. The beiges, blues and whites are just wonderful. Veranda Grill is a marked improvement over Todd English. The furniture in the Queen’s Room is really quite lovely. I don’t know if Ill go as crew or as a passenger, but I can’t wait to see her in person. Thanks for great work though, as always!! Cheers

  24. P.C. Kohler

    October 14, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Hyacinth Bucket would love this ship; they missed a bet not having Patricia Routledge do the christening instead.

  25. Keith Watts

    October 16, 2010 at 3:37 am

    As an ex-Engineer from the Q.M (3 years), QE (1 year) with spells on the Caronia, (the old) Franconia (30 yrs. old in 1952) I have viewed these photographs with more than a little nostalgia… I fell in love with the “Mary” tending to compare anything new as not as good – but the new “Elizabeth” will be as loved by everyone and she certainly is a ship for the present. Nice to know that she is as upmarket as her ancestors – just a whiff of regret that we can’t have these vessels built on the Clyde by John Brown,
    The photographs made an old man happy, thank you. Congratulations to the photographer on a marvellous job…

  26. Kenneth Eden

    October 17, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Thank you Keith Watts for your kind comments on the new ships. , I admire and respect your tenure with the Cunard Line and the ships on which you served.

    It is mind boggling to me how many comments are so negative about the ships, both exterior and interior wise. It is obvious that many comments are by people that have never sailed on the Queen Mary2, Queen Victoria, and not as yet, the Queen Elizabeth. If they had sailed, it would reflect in their reviews.

    Having sailed many times in the QE2, I must say that the ship was ugly inside. In 1969, think cheap motel at sea. White plastic furniture, orange paneled walls – and a British crew that went by the book of the UNIONS, and service that lacked, and food that stank. Not impresssive. Into the 1970’s, the QE2 saw the addition of the motel, or, the motel units, added above the sun deck, with balconies, expensive, unstable suites, that forever marred the ships true exterior beauty. Then the pool turned in to a pseudo night club – finally, the major reno, when the toilets burst and carpet was unlaid, while passengers sailed on a world cruise. During many 1980’s transatlantic crossings when a mere 2,3 DOZEN pasengers were the only ones on board. So, if anyone ever doubts the rebirth of Cunard, as the line sails today, just imagine what it was like when Cunard was down and nearly out.

  27. Ocean liner lover

    October 19, 2010 at 5:22 am

    I’ve been struggling to come to terms with the fact that the QE is a plastic ship. ie, all her interior mouldings, panelling, fittings, furniture are made of composite materials, veneers, laminates, all prefabricated and glued into place.

    Indeed the finished article is visually stunning, but without a chisel or hammer in sight! And built in a year?! I mean, the Normandie she ain’t. The materials aren’t organic. The wood won’t age, the surfaces won’t scratch. She’ll look identical in 40 years!!

    The naming ceremony was understated and splendid, the Gala Dinner unmemorable. However…

    They’ve done a grand job of improving all of the things about The Queen Victoria that didn’t quite work. The Lido is now more upmarket, Midships Bar wonderful, Cafe Carinthia is now a must, new Yacht Club etc.

    But having spent some hours looking at interiors of the QE2 online yesterday, I can safely say that she was also a plastic ship, and nostalgia filled in the gaps.

    So, I’m now happy in the knowledge that modern Cunard Vista ships aren’t liners, but retro fitted replicas of the golden age of liner crossing. And the QE is a triumph. Possibly the finest example of a modern Titanic you will ever see.

    My advice is to book the cheapest cabin available, and just get onboard. After all, 99% of the staterooms are identical, and how much time do you spend in them whilst awake?!

  28. Kenneth Eden

    October 19, 2010 at 6:18 am

    Lets talk SOLAS, Safety Of Life At SEA – Google it, find suggested site(s) for passenger ships – read carefully, the site is extensive – THEN gripe on about the lack of wood in new builds, and long for a ship that is filled with real wood, and could become a potential fire trap.

    The veneers are more than acceptable, since they convey the look of real wooden paneling ,with fabrics that meet the SOLAS requirements, as well as carpeting.
    After studying SOLAS requirements, for the present, and they get stricter for future passenger ships, imagine why so many older ships are going to the breakers. Financially they can not be retrofitted, not to mention, they lack what todays passengers demand.

    I dislike seeing the older ships going as much as the next one. However, I once asked then Captain Warwick what happened to the old ships when they were not used for sailing (I was a teenager). His reply:

    They get scrapped. Your’e probably shaving with their steel.

  29. Ron Bartsch

    October 19, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    In superliner history, there is only one QUEEN ELIZABETH (1938)
    In superliner history, there is only one QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 (1967)

    This new ship, while very nice indeed, should really have been named “QUEEN ELIZABETH 3″. Cunard should have played by the rules of succession here, while still paying homage to the previous two liners with this new ship. Think about it. It’d be like building a modern TITANIC and calling it TITANIC, instead of TITANIC 2. Just my 2 cents:)

  30. Mike Ryan

    October 20, 2010 at 7:20 am

    @Ron Bartsch….

    Cunard has a long tradition of re-using names. The first ship to EVER have a “2” on it was the QE2. There were two Mauretanias, three Caronias, several Franconias and Saxonias….

    It’s not that much of a long shot from thier usual traditions .

  31. Mike Ryan

    October 20, 2010 at 7:21 am

    First Cunard ship, that is… I can’t vouch for other companies ;)

  32. Bob

    October 20, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I think Ron Bartsch is on to something. From a brand marketing position, the QV and QE are motorships and cruisers. Cunard’s Caronia is the sine qua non to this day – and was the other revenue stream for Cunard. The company should build a companion vessel to QM2 and relegate the new builds to the cruise market. This is more in alignment with traditional “They is Cunard” than the “We are Cunard.” Which causes me to reflect “What is Cunard” doing.

  33. Ron Bartsch

    October 21, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    @ Mike Ryan
    Yes sir, good point about the -ia ships. I could agree that the new Queen Elizabeth would be fine as so named, but only if the QE2 were no longer in existence. The QE2 is still in existence (and we do hope forever, don’t we?), therefore the new Elizabeth should have been named QE3, (just as QM2 was so named, largely because of our favorite liner still sitting pretty in Long Beach, CA.) Besides, “QE3″….hmm, that does have a nice jingle to it–and it rhymes, too! I think it’s safe to say then when us liner buffs think of a “numberless” Queen Elizabeth, we think of the famous twin-stacker from 1938.

  34. Ocean liner lover

    October 22, 2010 at 4:39 am

    I’m quite new to this forum and am fascinated by the strong opinions, especially from the purists. I speak as someone who first travelled on QE2 aged 6 months old, and have been a Cunard fan ever since. The one thing that holds my interest is FANTASY. I’m a ship fantasist. A liner romanticist. It’s these qualities that enable a great thrill and sense of wonder at the scale, the interiors, the celebration of vacation. Few can afford the treat of a cruise, and in my experience making the booking, choosing the cabin, and getting a great deal is sometimes more fun than the voyage itself. It doesn’t matter what you think the ship should have been called, or if the traditions have been upheld… It’s about the ride for Christ’s sake. You’ve got to enjoy the ride, and every crossing I’ve made has been filled with wonder, delight, and 6000 calories per day. Its about the emotional connections you make with other passengers, crew, staff and the ocean itself. Those on here writing venomously about the past versus the present have missed the point. They probably haven’t even ever climbed aboard. Take my advice, book the cheapest fare on QM2 ($499) to cross the Atlantic. It’s the greatest experience on this earth in 2010, and it reflects the same passage to the Free World that your immigrant ancestors took. Reflects, not replicates.

  35. Ocean liner lover

    October 22, 2010 at 8:29 am

    And another thing… what has changed over the last 80 years of passenger liners is the passengers themselves. I’ve really noticed that it’s they who are oblivious to the kind of service offered on board during the golden age of ocean travel. Whilst today they might demand balconies and iPod charging sockets, they lack any knowledge of appropriate formal dress, correct silver service, manners toward senior crew, or other passengers. Terrible table manners, no ability to ballroom dance, nor can they hold their drink. They wouldn’t know the difference between four or five star, and are oblivious to much of the detail or history of the vessel or cruise line. In short, modern customers are less discerning, and the industry has taken advantage of their lack of attention to detail by delivering a substandard product. I’m an anomaly, as are many keen liner enthusiasts, or members of the Titanic fan club. We make it work for us through rose tinted spectacles, but in the main Carnival have got what they deserve, and so have the passengers who travel with them. It doesn’t stop me loving the three Queens and their itinerary.

  36. Mike Ryan

    October 24, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Waaaaaait a minute, where are you getting $499 transatlantic fares on QM2?

    I’ll take two!

  37. Ocean liner lover

    October 24, 2010 at 4:33 am

    Hello Mike,
    The $499 deal is widely available online. Thus far usually appears in September for sailings in November. CruiseDirect currently have this fare showing for a crossing on Nov 1st. This is exactly my point about making the effort to get the deal. $499 makes the crossing worthwhile, even if it’s not up to the exacting standards of the past. If you overpay for anything, you spend your time complaining about the lack of value. I personally prefer the westbound crossing from Southampton as you get the extra hour in bed, plus the arrival in NYC. I usually pay no more than £499 UK pounds including the return flight to the UK and all taxes. Plus, I have always been upgraded from my inside cabin to a balcony stateroom.

  38. Kenneth Eden

    October 24, 2010 at 6:40 am

    By gum a tansalanteek fer $499.bucks! Betcha its cheapa than a feery boot ride to Malmo.

    Yeah, and don’t forget the passport, and return flight home. NCL might have a crossing that low. But, then, you need extra money for all of the al la carte restaurants on board.

  39. Kenneth Eden

    October 24, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Personally, I do not think that passengers need to be slammed for not appreciating the traditional cruise experience. They may not be aware of it, may not care for it, or, may just enjoy a less than traditional cruise than ones that offer THE dress code and THE gourmet experience. I prefer THE dress code, and THE gourmet experirnce. But, I do not trash those that prefer a less structured ot formal cruise experience. There is something at sea for everyone. Even the ferry to Malmo.

  40. Ocean liner lover

    October 25, 2010 at 2:35 am

    Kenneth,
    It’s not a case of slamming the less decerning passengers. It’s more about multi-class ships for people with no class. These days the class system has disappeared and in it’s place are the rich, the middle income families and the poor. There are many classy poor people, and far too many mega rich with no class. My point is that appropriate social etiquette was the norm for all classes years ago. These days it appears that the middle income group appear to be the most conciencious, but ultimately it’s for the Cruise line to uphold the exacting standards, and those passengers with some class will notice the shortfalls. I only have experience of Cunard, and can only speak for my accounts onboard. The social set, gentry, a-listers all used to travel on liners. Now, they wouldn’t be seen dead on cruise ships. The only stars to appear are the ones paid by the cruise line to be onboard. The glamour has evolved. Glitzy isn’t classy, and maybe this is where the American control of most ships has made it’s biggest mistake.

  41. Mike Ryan

    October 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Wow, thanks… I never knew they got this cheap!

  42. Kenneth Eden

    October 26, 2010 at 8:43 am

    O L L

    I almost could not believe my eyes when I read your elitist view of passengers on ships today. Not long ago, into the 1970’s, to be exact, Cunards QE2 ran a two class transatlantic crossing. That is what the ship was built for. The SS France as well as a few Italian Line liners did as well. I for one am glad to se the class structure gone.

    Your point of appropriate social ettiquette was the norm for all classes years ago, tell us from your first hand sailing knowledge how/what was considered appropriate in those bygone days as you experienced it.

    To slam, and you did, and to label, which you now have done, passengers that you feel do not share the same self imposed standards as you do, and to equate middle income and poor as one, perhaps a shp with a caste system would be appriate for you.

    To use the words glamour and glitzy in one paragraph is an oxymoron, when you then belittle the cruise product as mostly an American mistake. Think Jaguar, TATA.

  43. kenneth vard

    February 21, 2011 at 8:54 am

    We are in the 21st century whether we like it or not, & all this hair splitting does not change anything, so leave well enough alone, & enjoy the splendour & majesty of these new beauties sailing today, as for names, as far as I am aware there were two MAURETANIAs & the second one had no number, so sail on proudly QUEEN ELIZABETH you are named to be a queen & christened by the monarch herself.
    that is enough of a unique pedigree to sail into the future with pride
    Ken Vard

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